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2006-10-25 DRB MinutesDRB Meeting October 25, 2006 Page 1 of 7 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES October 25 2006 A regular meeting of the Salem Design Review Board (DRB) was held in the third floor conference room at the City Hall Annex, 120 Washington Street, on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 at 6:00 pm. Members Ernie DeMaio, David Jaquith and Glenn Kennedy were present. Tania Hartford, Economic Development Planner and Melissa Pagliaro, Clerk were also present. Projects Under Review 1. New Dimensions in Technology, 85 Lafayette Street Hartford started with the Kahn first on the agenda to review signage and lighting. Kahn says he does not have light specs ready yet but he is proposing to erect sign close to what Kelleher Williams has. Hartford states the sign is 52” from t eh top of the window to the roofline. Kennedy states his is to see more character in the typography DeMaio asks if the letters were flat. Kahn says that they were bold and slightly raised. He says he wants to be consistent with his neighbor. The sign will be a bit classier if it is consistent with neighbor. Kennedy states that the other sign had a bit more character. DeMaio says that the letters look like the others. Kahn says that he is not looking for flat. He says that the sign company has been instructed to follow the style of the Kelleher Williams sign. Jaquith says he would rather see more black on each end of sign because of all the lettering but without expanding lettering. He thinks the sign needs a little more depth. Kennedy agrees with Jaquith. Jaquith asks about the lighting. DRB Meeting Minutes September 26, 2007 Page 2 of 7 Hartford says that he is considering goose neck lighting but is not sure how to deal with the conduits. Kahn says he is working with the electrician to put 5 goose neck lights above the sign. Hartford asks the Board to offer any suggestions. Jaquith suggests that it may not be bad to float signs a little bit. Kahn says that area is dark. He says they are thinking of black fixtures. Hartford says he will come back to the DRB with specifications. Jaquith says he would like it to come out and to talk it over with electrician to see what he can do about the conduit. Kahn says his goal tonight was to approval for the sign and then come back with his specs for the sign and lights. DeMaio moves to recommend approval of the sign proposal with the conditions that the sign width run from window to window, that the increased area be filled with additional black background and that the lettering be at least ½” to ¾” bigger. Kennedy seconds the motion (Passes 3-0) 2. Passage to India, 157 Washington Street Hartford says that Hugh Kerr proposes to install a blade sign at Passage to India because he has problems with visibility. Kerr states that when you are coming down Washington Street you cannot see anything because the original lighting was done incorrectly. He thinks that gooseneck lights should be on top of sign. He says there is a panel box behind the sign so that no wires will be seen. It does not matter to him what color the lights are. Jaquith suggested adjusting the stem. Kerr states that he is just looking for visibility. Kennedy says Kerr is headed in the right direction regarding visibility but is not sure if the lighting is in the right place. DeMaio says that he is concerned that the lighting might be a distraction to pedestrians walking on the sidewalk and maybe light should be shielded. He says that the light should be focused on the sign not the sidewalk. DRB Meeting Minutes September 26, 2007 Page 3 of 7 Jaquith says that maybe just a simple fixture under the eave might do. He agrees with Kennedy on recommending approval of the sign. Hartford says she will get the lighting specification from Kerr and give it to Jaquith to review. Jaquith moves to recommend approval. Motion seconded by Kennedy. (Passes 3-0) 3. Old Salem Jail (50 St. Peter Street) Hartford states that the site visit had been cancelled. It may take place tomorrow morning. She says this project will be back in front of the DRB on November 15th. She says the visit should be done before then. Dan Ricciarelli, architect, Finegold Alexander + Associates, says that they are looking for masonry to use on the building. They are looking for substitutions, possibly Duke or York. Cindi Giugliano, Architect, Finegold Alexander + Associates, says the concrete block was ground face and non reflective. Kennedy asked if when it was cleaned if it came back a gray tone or yellow. Ricciarelli says he was not sure. DeMaio asked for a new spec of the façade. Jaquith asked if everything is still up in the air. Penn Lindsay, New Boston Ventures, says that they really want to get on the site. Giugliano says it is not an easy match Jaquith says that this should be looked at in field. DeMaio says he wants to see much bigger samples before anything is approved. Giugliano says once the choices are narrowed down she will send larger samples. DeMaio says that it is important that the entire project is the same material. DRB Meeting Minutes September 26, 2007 Page 4 of 7 Jaquith suggested says that they should try to do a very tight joint in this. Ricciarelli says he would like to see mortar samples when they do the walk through. DeMaio asked if new fill would be in existing building. Giugliano says a lot of existing brick will be reused. Ricciarelli says that the material for the proposed roof is two colors: graphite or silver. He says they are still looking at pricing. DeMaio asked if you will able to see any running of the material over time. Ricciarelli says he did not think so. Giugliano raises the issue of the rail details at Building D and states that the screens are salvaged cell doors. The deck is mahogany with a channel wrapping around the edge. The railing will imitate cell doors with 7/8” metal round bars. DeMaio asked how the salvaged cell doors were finished. Giugliano says Juliet balconies will have the same wood deck. DeMaio asked if the wood structures will be pressure treated. Giugliano says it is always a problem when a deck is against a veneer. Ricciarelli says that the bars and doors are larger than the bars at windows. He says he is taking the bars off of the windows and putting mahogany bars in. He says that most of the windows in the jail are from the 1970’s. He says the brick mold around the windows is interesting. He says he would like to replicate that using all wood windows. He says there will be jamb detail with concrete back up. DeMaio asked to see the elevation. Giugliano says molding will go around the double hung windows. DeMaio asked if screens will be visible on all of these windows. Giugliano says yes. DeMaio asked if they have thought about any non-double hung windows. DRB Meeting Minutes September 26, 2007 Page 5 of 7 Ricciarelli says they are still working on windows. Jaquith asks if they will be whole screens or half screens and which brand windows are being used. Giugliano says they are using Eagle Windows. Ricciarelli says the Bridge Street side will be same molding and double hung windows. He says that the window shave been a struggle. DeMaio asked if they have thought of clad windows. Giugliano says on the Jail Keepers House she is keeping the same windows but different molding, it will be ¼ round. Jaquith asked if shutters are going back on the building. Giugliano says no. From the audience Barbara Cleary, Historic Salem Inc.asks if the plan is to use the same windows as the new owns. She says the muttons on the jail are 5/8. She says thinner mutton bars for jail keepers house. Giugliano says Jail Keepers House has 3 different size masonry openings and they will try to work off these sizes. . Hartford asks the applicant to submit these new plans so that the Board can take a better look at plans before the next meeting. DeMaio says that he thinks the screens are much more important on the Jail Building. He thinks it will look odd to have big windows with enormous screens. Ricciarelli says there are products that have retractable screens. Kennedy mentions a “phantom screen”. He says they are very nice with brushed aluminum and very small trim. DeMaio says that is one thing people do not think about. It is enough trouble to choose window and then there is no thought to the screens. Ricciarelli agreed with DeMaio about the windows. Kennedy says to be careful with phantom screens because they snap back. DRB Meeting Minutes September 26, 2007 Page 6 of 7 Ricciarelli says he wanted to give an update on the proposed site lighting. Giugliano says they have plans for fixtures to accent the tree path but the restaurant lighting may be different. She also says that St. Peter Street egress cuts off shield light. Jaquith asked to be shown where existing lighting is. Ricciarelli says he does not know what is proposed on Bridge Street bypass road yet. Jaquith says that maybe it will be better to to go with the old look. He also asked how the material will tie in with the zinc. Ricciarelli says he wants frame to match roof. DeMaio asks how big the window monitors would be. Giugliano says they are about 5 ½ X 5 ½. DeMaio says his concern is that these windows are so big. Giugliano shows a sample of the doors for 8 doors at back of building. They are aluminum doors. Bulk of doors will be from Eagle. The French and swing doors will have same moldings as windows. The doors for the new building are Simpson mahogany. Kennedy says that we do not see a lot of doors like that around here and wondered how they will hold up. Ricciarelli says that they are very good doors and will hold up very well. Hartford says that she will need copies of all the new drawings. From the audience Cleary asks if there is a plan to re-use some sets of doors that exist. Ricciarelli says they will try to salvage the brick. Kennedy says he would like to see a photographer document the building before the work is done. Cleary asks if there will be details provided for the windows. Jaquith says that the applicant will come back to the DRB with everything presented tonight. DRB Meeting Minutes September 26, 2007 Page 7 of 7 Cleary asks when the applicant wants to talk with the Massachusetts Historical Society. Hartford says that should be done before the next meeting on November 15th. Hartford also reviews what needs to be done. • Detail drawings • Provide copies of specifications • Deck details • Options for screens on jail • Detail on mullets for keepers building • Site plan showing lighting • Details on monitors DeMaio says his last comment on the new building is that he thinks there are lots of different styles on windows. He would like to see you take an overall look of the window treatment of the new building. He says he is not sure they all work well together. Jaquith moves to adjourn. DeMaio seconds the motion (Passes 3-0).