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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION -- Meeting -- January 10, 19Z3
The Salem Historical Commission met at the North Branch, Salem
Public Library, at 7 :30 p.m. Present were Mssrs. Scagliotti, Rybicki,
and Chalifour and Mrs. Hunt.
It was voted to dispense with the reading of the minutes of the
previous meeting.
The Chairman commended Mr. Cha.lifour for his excellent report on
the Common area.
A Mr. Allen who attended our meeting asked if the Commission
would be interested in reproducing an old paper, The Salem Re ister
(The Rev. Wm. Bentley's paper) . He believes this wou s imu ate
interest in Salem history. He also believes that the correspondence
of Thomas Jefferson with Salem residents should be published. Mr.
Scagliotti told him that unfortunately the Commission has no funds
to do this, but suggested that he write us a letter to this effect.
Mr. Scagliotti told him that the Commission was set up to establish
and administer historic districts, that buildings may fall into decay
whereas records are preserved. Mr. A. believes buildings are fossilized
history.
After Mr. Allen's departure, we continued to go over the preliminary
report and made a few corrections. Mr. Chalifour reported that Mrs.
Amadon said we would need a new ordinance to establish new districts.
This should be checked with the city solicitor. Mr. Scagliotti will
first call Mrs. Amadon regarding this. If necessary, be will call an
executive meeting.
The next step in the process of establishing new districts is to
submit the preliminary report to the Mass. Historical Commission and to
the local planning board. Then a public hearing must be held within
60 days. Residents of area must be notified 14 days before hearing.
Our next immediate step is to have a meeting with residents of Custom
House area and to talk to the Pocohantas-Pickering Fuel Co. The final
report is not submitted until after the public hearing, in case further
changges are to be made. M.P. Scagliotti called City Planner Greg Senko
about an aerial view of the Common and Custom House areas. He has one,
but Mr. S. has not called Mr. Scagliotti back.
Those absent from this meeting will be given copies of the prelim-
inary report and are asked to g
they have any suggestions for changes, corrections, etc. .
Commission members were given copies of a letter from Secretary
of State Davoren re : the Old Town Hall 's designation as a. National
landmark: The Old Town Hall complex is now listed on the National
Register of Historic Places. Mr. Chalifour suggested that the Commission
prepare a. press release on this , giving background on what it means to
be on the National Register. Mr. Scagliotti asked that we clear this
through the mayor 's office first. Mrs. Hunt will check with Peter; ;
Gibson. With their approval, Mr. Chalifour will ask Mr. Bishop if';he j
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• would be willing to condense the information sent with kir. Davoren's
letter into an article for the Salem News. kir. Chalifour suggested
that perhaps we could use Jim an e en aldwin's picture of the Old.
Town Hall, taken from an old print at the Essex Institute.
Copies were circulated of a letter from the City of Birmingham,
Alabama. Clerk has replied and sent material.
Color chart -- we will hold discussion of this until the next
meeting.
Mr. Chalifour suggested that the Commission remind the Mayor
that in March the terms of two of our commission members expire,
one of whom is a representative of the Board of Realtors . The
Commission appoints a new chairman in Yay. According to the Introduction,
Chapter 40 C, Section 8-D, p.8. , the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are
elected annually by members of the Commission. (Nr. Scagliotti will
xerox copies of this page for members who do not have it, as it seemed
to be missing in some of the members notebooks . )
Mr. Chalifour pointed out that there was one error in the forms
for the Common houses: the house next to the Doerings is under
separate ownership, not part of their house. He will correct this.
It was moved by Mr. Scagliotti and seconded by kir. Chalifour
that the meeting be adjourned. So done, at 9 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt, Clerk
The next regular Commission meeting will be held on Wednesday,
February 7 at 7 :30 p.m. at the North Branch, Salem Public Library.
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NOTICE OF NEXT MEETING:
To all Historical Commission Members :
Our Chairman has asked me to notify you of a special
workshop meeting on Wednesday, February 7, 1973, at 7 p.m.
at the Bates School. (See enclosed copy of letter for
full information. ) Please try to attend this meeting.
Our regular meeting will follow at the North Branch
Library at R p.m.
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk
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January 25, 1973
Robert L. Scagliotti, Chairman
Historical District Commission
4 Andrews Street
Salem, Massachusetts
Dear Mr. Scagliotti:
• The Department of Public Works is presently engaged in
studies regarding the feasibility of constructing a new bridge between
Salem and Beverly and a proposed Salem - Peabody Connector with
improvements to the local roads from Salem and Swampscott leading
to the proposed Connector. The Department is concerned about the
probable impact of these projects on the total environment. This
concern pertains not only to the study corridors, but extends to all
environmental conditions in the surrounding area for which a
measurable impact may be foreseen.
We are requesting your attendance at a special meeting
(workshop) of civic leaders, federal, state and local officials on
Wednesday, February 7, 1973, at 7:00 P. M. in the Bates School,
Liberty Hill Avenue in Salem. This special meeting will be followed
by a general public meeting (workshop) at 8:00 P. M.
The meeting will be conducted by the Environmental
Section of this office. The intent of this first meeting is to integrate
your inputs and values at the early stages of the study. The meeting
is concerned with the environmental issues to be identified and to
have values assigned. Engineering details of design and proposed
construction will not be presented at this meeting, but will be the
subject of discussion at a later date in the project development.
Additional environmental input will be welcomed by mail,
to my office, within a period of about one week after the meeting date.
Thank you for your interest in this project and its
relationship to our environment. Your cooperation is appreciated,
and it is my hope that you will be able to participate in this meeting,
on the date indicated.
Very truly yours,
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Robert T. Tierney
Acting Chief Engineer.
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HARRIS PUBLIC MEETING - FEBRUARY 7, 1973
BEVERLY-SALEM-PEABODY CONNECTOR PROJECT
PROJECT HISTORY
From the time Rt. 128 was constructed until the present, there
has been a need for linking the Marblehead-Swampscott-Salem-
Beverly-Peabody area to this circumferential highway with a
fast, direct road system. Today, residents of this area still
reach Rte. 128 by driving through local streets and towns never
intended to handle the traffic volumes they now do.
Consequently, the concept of a new high volume connector
system is deemed imperative now in order to relieve traffic
• congestion and to encourage economic stability in this region.
With the proposed I-95, which would provide a direct access
into Boston, as an impetus, an arterial connector network
was planned which would link the North Shore communities
both to Rte. 128 and I-95 .
That network is the Beverly-Salem-Peabody Connector, selected
for further development, and presented here tonight. It can
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provide for fast, direct travel from the 'North Shore communi-
ties to Rte. 128 and I-95. It is laid out along the B & M
tracks and existing roads, so as to cause a minimum of dis-
ruption to the communities it traverses .
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During the course of its development, planning was done with
the aid of your local officials and citizens . Public meetings
were held and will be held periodically to determine how best
to meet community needs and to sound out particular problems .
The alignment outlined on the hand-out maps is the present result
of those meetings, consultations, and the planning outlined
above.
THE PROJECT
As shown on the map, the project consists of four parts :
Tasks A, B, and C, and the Beverly/Salem Bridge.
. Task A . . . calls for an improvement of Route 128 from
Rts. 1 to 114 , and tying I-95 into 128 . This
will be accomplished by either a new expressway
or upgrading of the existing one.
Task B . . . is a wholly new arterial connector running
along the B & M right-of-way from Rte. 128 to
the Danvers River near Bridge Street.
Task C . . . provides a system of feeder roads linking
Marblehead, Swampscott and Salem to thEConnector.5
These feeder roads would actually be existing toads
upgraded to handle higher volumes of traffic with
less congestion.
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• BRIDGE . . . the existing Essex Bridge over the Danvers
River is scheduled to, be replaced by a new
structure. Three schemes have been developed
for this purpose and are presently being
investigated by an Evironmental Team for the
preparation of a draft Environmental Impact
Statement.
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. SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
February 7, 1973
AGENDA
1. Reading and approval of last meeting's minutes.
2. Reports of Members
(a) Salem - Beverly Bridge
(b) Salem Common Area
(c) Custom House Area
3. Reports of Special Nature
• (a) Old Town Hall News Release
(b) Chapter 40C Manual
4. Unfinished Business
(a) Color chart
(b) Finances
5. New Business
(a) New Commission members 3-1-73
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SALEX HISTORICAL COMMISSION Meeting February 7, 1973
Members of the Historical Commission attended a special workshop
sponsored by the D.P.W. on the environmental impact of the proposed
connector road to 128 and the Proposed new Beverly Bridge and Bridge St.
By-pass.
The meeting was conducted by John Willey of the DPW. Also partici-
pating were Kathy Stein Hudson from the BTPR and representatives from
Lockner Associates and F. R. Harris .
Mrs. Hudson described the history of the BTPR study and explained
that the present proposed connector was the result of many months of
study. It was selected instead of the I-95 connector.
Before they get into the design features of the proposed new road
the planners must submit an environmental impact statement. The need
for close cooperation with local government and people was emphasized.
They need input from people--by law. The draft environmental statement,
which will be ready in about 4 months, will be sent to people. Any
comments or input not included in the report can be sent in writing
to the chief engineer within 30 days of receipt of the draft to be
included in the final statement. For purposes of study, 3 alternatives
will be considered: 1. No build, 2. Upgrade existing facilities,
3. proposed alternatives.
The Bridge will probably be built first. It was pointed out that
the TOPICS program is independent of the connector plans.
No specific design problems were discussed at this meeting.
Our Chairman spoke to one of the representatives about our concern
about the North Bridge.
We left at 8 p.m. to go to our regular meeting. .
The regular meeting of the Historical Commission was held at 8 p.m.
rather than 7 :30 because of the Workshop described above. Present
were Mssrs. Scagliotti, Ahmed, Bishop, Chalifour, Griffin and Rybicki,
and Mesdames belch and Hunt.
It was voted to omit the reading of the minutes of the previous
meeting. Chairman Scagliotti repopted that he talked to Mr. Williams
re: the historical importance of the North Bridge. This input will
be included in the planning. Mrs. Welch asked about houses in the
Bridge St. area. Should Commission survey houses? Proposed route
of by-pass will not disturb houses. Mr. Scagliotti also pointed out
that houses in that area are not in very good condition.
Commission members were asked to sign copies of the preliminary
report following the meeting. Mr. Scagliotti reported that a meeting
has been scheduled the following evening at the Custom House for
residents of that area at 8 p.m. Mr. Andiias will be there to represent
the Pocohantas Fuel Co. No strong opposition to the .proposed district
is expected from residents in that area. Maps of the area were dis
tributed. Boundaries will be drawn. The Home for Aged Women is not
city-owned. It is privately owned. Mr. Chalifour will correct the ;
form, designating the Trustees of the Salem Home for Aged Women as: .
owners.
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One copy of the report is to be submitted to the local Planning
Board and one to the Mass. Historical Commission. Then notices must
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be mailed out, about two weeks afterwards, to all property owners in
proposed district, notifying them of a public meeting. They must be
given two weeks notice. (Check List - Part I. We are now at #9. )
40 If Mrs . Amadon has any questions, she can let us know. The Clerk will
photostat forms, so Commission will have copies. She will deliver a
copy of the preliminary report to Gerald McCarthy, Chairman of the
Planning Board. The public meeting could be held in April in lieu of
our regular monthly meeting.
According to Mr. Griffin, we will need separate ordinances for
each new district. The two cannot go on a single ordinance. (The
Mass. Historical Commission was not clear on this. ) The question was
raised as to how the City Council will react to two ordinances? They
might accept one and not the other. Question of cost not a. big factor.
Mr. Ahmed asked that the Commission approve the meeting with
residents . The motion was made that the Chairman has the sanction of
the Commission to proceed with informational meeting with residents
of proposed district. Mrs. Welch seconded. Voted yes.
Mr. Griffin told us that the Pocohantas Fuel Co. may not want to be
included in the district because they are in process of negotiations
for their property. We will find out tomorrow night. Include unless
we are told otherwise.
Old Town Hall Publicity. Mr. Bishop has prepared a press release
which was read to the Commission members. He also has a photograph
of a drawing done by Jim and Helen Baldwin. Mr. Chalifour asked
that the Historical Commission be mentioned in this release. He and
Mr. Bishop will make necessary changes.
Mr. Scagliotti distributed copies of Manual. Commission members
asked to file under Chapt. 40 8D. Election of new officers will take
place in May.
Color chart. Mr. Phillips at the Society for the Preservation
of New England Antiquities (SPNEA) , 141 Cambridge St. , Boston, is
an expert on colors. Mr. Scagliotti will contact him.
Finances. Clerk reported that our budget will not be approved
until about April 1. New budget will be an 18 mos . one rather than a
year. She asked for an increase. Hopefully, we will have an 18 mos.
budget of $1,556.55.
Two of our Commission members have terms which will expire March 1,.
Mr. Scagliotti talked to the Mayor 's executive secretary who says that .' .
the members can continue until they are replaced or reappointed, according
to the Mayor. Mr. Ahmed asked if this would put us in any legal
difficulty. Mr. Scagliotti will write to the Mayor and put it on
record that two terms expire March 1.
46 A meeting at the Merrimack Valley Textile Museum on Feb. 12 on
conservation of paper and textiles was announced. y"
Aerial photos of proposed districts passed around. We might need
more detailed photos. Mr. Chalifour suggested that we outline boundaries.
If more detailed photos are needed, Chr. will try to take some.
Meeting adjourned at 9:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted, E. Hunt, Clerk w
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
March 7, 1973
AGENDA
1. Reading and approval of last meeting's minutes.
2. Reports of Members
(a) Salem Common Area
(b) Custom House Area
3. Reports of Special Nature
(a) Concord Historical Commission
(b) Fort Pickering
4. Unfinished Business
(a) Color chart
(b) Commission members 3-1-73
5. New Business
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION Meeting; I March 7, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at 7: 30 p,m, at the North
• Branch Library, Present were Chairman, Robert Scagliotti, Raymond
Chalifour, Erwin Bishop, Mrs, Francis Ylelch and Mrs, Donald Hunt, Clerk,
The motion was made by Mr. Chalifour and seconded by mzs. Welch
to omit the reading of the minutes of the previous meeting. Motion
carried,
The first item on the agenda was the Salem Common Area, Mr,
Scagliottl reported that he had a letter, sent February 18, to the
Massachusetts Historical Commission, accompanying the preliminary
report, which came back stating that the report had been accepted.
We have to wait 60 days after the report has been submitted before
we can hold a public hearing, so hearing would have to be held after
April 18th,
Discussion followed as to whether we should have the hearing
in late April or at our regular May meeting, as we have to hold
elections at May meeting, It was decided to hold the hearing on
May 2 , our regular meeting date, at 8 p,m, at the North Branch
Library, The Commission can meet before, at 7:30 p,m, to elect
officers,
Mrs. Welch will check assessors list and update Washington
Square and the Custom House area list. We will need a list of
property owners as .they all have to receive two weeks written notice
of the hearing,
• The clerk was asked to send copies of the preliminary report to
the Commissioner of Commerce and Development and to the Commissioner
of Natural Resources,
We then reviewed the ordinances which Mr. Griffin had drawn up
pertaining to the Common and Custom House areas and made several
changes, ide added Section 4, as follows: All duties listed in the
Salem Historical Commission Ordinance adopted by the City Council
on November 24, 1971, sections 4 through 10 inclusive , shall be
incorporated in this Custom House (Salem Common) Ordinance,
We reviewed P. 7 of Chapter 40C, and determined that resolution
goes into separate covering letter, Another question raised: should
the ordinance say anything about adding other members to the Commission
from new districts? Commission limited to 7 members , but we could
have alternates (p, 7 of our preliminary report contains suggestion
that new members be added, We made correction "one each" pertaining
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to new members from each district, in the prelimimary report,
Mr. Scagliotti read a letter from Concord, from a Miss Phoebe
D. Ham, They are concerned about state control. He talked to her
and suggested she inform the local people and talk to the State.
We have received notification that Fort Pickering has been
added to the National Register, Local residents don't want area
advertised.
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Under unfinished business , we cisdussed the matter of a color
•, chart, Mr. Scagliotti reported that- he had had a long conversation
with Mr, Morgan W, Phillips of the S,P.N,E,A, Mr. Phillips recommends
we do nothing about a color chart. Colors are very difficult to
determine. Color can also be a source of aggravation. Mr. Scagliotti
feels that since the Commission has authoritative advice from Mr.
Phillips, they should follow his advice and not adopt a color chart,
When people apply for a certificate of approval, the Commission can
review the color chip and approve or suggest an alternative,
Mr. Phillips also gave Mr. Scagliotti some written material on the
pointing of old bricks--he says that modern mortar should not be
used--best to use old lime mortar instead.
Mr. Scagliotti was invited to attend the meeting of the
Chestnut Street Associates, He spoke to them about the Salem
Historical Commission,
Regarding the expiration of the terms of two of the Commission
members as of March 1, 1973, Mr. Scagliotti called the Mayor's
office and talked to Peter Gibson, He will check with him again as
he still has not heard.
The matter of dedicating Hamilton Hall (as a national historic
site ) did not come up at the Chestnut Street Associates Meeting,
according to Mrs, Welch. Perhaps it could be done during the Spring
House Tour Historic Salem is planning on June 22 and 23.
• Mr, Scagliotti received a letter on March 5, pertaining to old
cars, which he will refer to the Essex Institute.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk
The next meeting will be held on Wed. , April 4, 1973, at 7:30
p.m. at the North Branch Library.
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
April 4, 1973
AGENDA
1. New and Reappointed Commission Members: Mr. Callahan, Mr. Ahmed
2. Reading and approval of last meeting's minutes
3. Report of Members:
(a) Salem Common Area Ordinance
(b) Custom House Area Ordinance
4. Reports of Special Nature
• (a) Bay State Historical League Letter to Mr. Lee
(b) Regional Preservation Workshop, Saturday, April 7th
(c) Bay State Spring Meeting, Saturday, April 28th
5. Unfinished Business
(a) Public Hearing
(b) Notice of Hearing to Property Owners
6. New Business
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION - Meeting-
April 4, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at 700 p.m. on April 4,
• 1973, at the North Branch Library, Present were Mssrs , Scagliotti,
Bishop, Callahan, Chalifour and Griffin and Mesdames Welch and Hunt.
The meeting was called to order by Mr. Scagliotti who welcomed
the new Commission member, Mr, James Callahan, It was moved by Mr.
Chalifour and seconded by Mr. Bishop to omit the reading of the
minutes of the previous meeting. Motion carried,
Copies of the corrected ordinances, which were mailed to
Commission members, were also sent to Mr. Pitcoff, the City Solicitor,
The clerk was instructed to send copies of these ordinances along
with the notice of public hearing to property owners in both pro-
posed districts. She was also instructed to put the word "proposed"j„ red
after the heading in both ordinances. Notices and copies of the
ordinance should also be sent to the City Councillors, City Clerk
and office of the Mayor.
The hearing on the two proposed historic districts, the Salem
Common area and the Custom House area, will be held on May 2, 1973
at 8 p,m, in the downstairs meeting room of the North Branch Library,
Preceding this hearing, Commission members will hold a brief meeting
at 7: 30 p,m, to elect officers, Mr. Scagliotti would like to chair
the hearing since it would provide continuity; all present enthusi-
astically agreed and he was granted permission to do so.
The clerk was asked to xerox enough copies of preliminary report
as corrected along with final map of areas so that each member of
• the Commission would have one before the hearing. The cover sheet
will be retyped so that Mr. Callahan's name will be included.
Reports of special natures Mr. Scagliotti distributed copies
of a letter to Mr. Lee from Mr. Leavitt, President of the Bay State
Historical League, concerning the appointment of a professional
records manager to supervise Public Records for the State, Mrs,
Welch will talk to Dr. Hale and get his opinion on this. Unless
the appointment is imminent, we will wait until our next meeting
to take care of this. A workshop will be held In Lowell on April
7► 'under the auspices of the Mass, Historical Commission, Commission
members given information on this; also information on Bay State Histor-
ical League meeting in Brockton, Mrs, Welch read an item from the
Bay State Historical League Bulletin about the state of affairs of
Bicentennial Planning .in Mass, and Washington. Local communities
should go ahead and make own plans, Mr. Chalifour reported on
attending a meeting of the Salem Redevelopment Authority recently
and reported that the S.R.A. is concerned about the Bicentennial
and traffic control. During a brief discussion of Bicentennial f
plans, Mrs. Welch told Mr. Callahan about the DPW road meeting
Commission members attended in February and about Mr. Hagopian's
plans for restoring the North Bridge,
Regarding the Public Hearing to be held by the Commission .
on May 2, the Clerk was instructed to type a typical public
• hearing notice, giving time, place and date and stating that
the hearing is being held for the purpose of reviewing the
preliminary report on the proposed historic districts. This
notice and copies of the ordinance have to go out by April 16.
Notice also to be published in the Salem News,
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The clerk reported that the budget as submitted to the
• City Council' has been approved, in the amount of $19150. 00
for 18 mos. This amount, plus a carryover from last year of
$406. 55, gives the Commission a total of $19556. 55 for 18 mos.
The Clerk will check to see when the 18 mos. period begins and
ends.
Hamilton Hall placquet Mrs. Welch talked to Mr. Shreve
and Mr. Allen. Neither gentleman could come to the meeting
this evening, but they would like the Commission to come up
with an idea for unveiling the placque designating Hamilton
Hall as being on the National Register, on either June 22 or
23, during the Historic Salem, Inc. House Tour. Since luncheon
will served at the hall on both days, during the tour, it was
suggested that the unveiling ceremony be held after lunch.
Ray Chalifour will contact Mrs. Jeremish Burns, Chairman of
the House Tour Committee to see if this would be possible,
Saturday, June 23, would probably be the better day. We should
have a representative from the Historical Commission present and
get a photographer from the Salem News. This would be good
publicity for the Commission.
Mr. Scagliotti will review material sent to the Commission
regarding grants for properties on the National Register,
Mr. Scagliotti read a letter dust received from the Mass,
• Historical Commission approving our preliminary report. It was
suggested that since we already have seven members on the Commission,
by law our full allotment, that as terms expire, new members could
be appointed from the proposed districts. It was also suggested
that we clarify the lot boundaries in our final report,
It was moved and seconded that the meeting be adjourned
at 8x45 p.m. Motion carried,
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk
Addendums The 18 mos, budget went Into effect Jan. 1, 1973
and goes through June 30, 1974. E.S.H.
Next Meeting: May 2, 1973 at 700 p.m, at the North Branch
Library.
�* SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
May 2, 1973
AGENDA
1. Reading and approval of last meeting's minutes
2. North Street Bridge
3. Election of Officers
4. General Meeting
a. Salem Common Area
• b. Custom House Area
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION May 2, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at 7:30 p.m. at the North
Branch Library, Present were Mssrs, Scagliotti, Chalifour, Ahmed,
ja Callahan and Griffin and Mesdames Welch and Hunt. It was moved and
seconded to omit reading of minutes of previous meeting--all in agree-
ment, Mr. Scagliotti read a letter from the Harris Engineering firm
regarding the relocation of placque on North Bridge, They have to
have our approval. According to our ordinance, this falls within our
jurisdiction. It was agreed that the committee should study the
matter before recommending a proper site in the area for the marker,
Mr. Scagliotti will have map of proposed highway plan copied and
sent to Commission members ,
Election of officers: It was proposed that Commission appoint
a nominating committee, but that idea discarded since there are only
7 members, Mr. Scagliotti was asked if he would serve as Chairman
again next year. He asked for two weeks to consider, Mr. Ahmed
would rather not be vice-chairman next year. It was decided to de-
fer the election until the June meeting,
Mrs. Welch reported that she had drafted a reply to the Bay
State Historical League, but in the meantime she heard that Ex-Rep.
John J. McGlynn had been appointed Supervisor of Public Records,
New Business: Mrs, Welch was contacted by David Gavenda who is
in the business of restorational research in case we hear of anyone
looking for this type of service,
Mr. Scagliotti reported that he replied to Mr. Rettig's letter
• regarding the Commission's preliminary report. He also announced.
that Salem's City Hall is now on the National Register.
The meeting was adjourned at 8 p.m, so that the Commission could
proceed with the public hearing.
Public Hearing Concerning Two Proposed New Districts: The ;
Salem Common Historic District and the Custom House Historic District,
Mr. Scagliotti welcomed the audience and told them that this
was an important meeting as it was a chance for residents of the two
areas to express their views. He thanked Historic Salem, Inc, for
Its help in preparing the report. Mr. Scagliotti then outlined the
reasons for establishing the districts. He pointed out that in A971,
Salem adopted the Salem Historical Commission Ordinance , establishing.
Chestnut Street as a district. He said that the Commission members
were selected according to by-laws of the State: Commission must
have an architect, realtor, rep, from local historical society,
lawyer, resident. from the district, etc. Commission members serve
staggered terms for first 3 years, after that, 3 year terms. He
pointed out that anyone can become a member--St is their Commission '
and their district. He also pointed out that if any residents didn't
want to be included In a district, they would have the opportunity..
to state their reasons, Mr. Scagliotti has met with 3 or 4 different
groups prior to this meeting to explain historic districting. He
told the residents that if a district was created in their neighborhood,
they would not be told when or what color to paint their house, ` e
• • Commission only has control over exterior changes,- seen from a putc
way. All of these things are spelled out in the ordinance , He ._ ld
them that the Commission feels it is protecting their rights, I ='they
want to put an addition on their house, the plans go first to the
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Mr. Scagliotti said that the Commission would be glad to answer
questions and that if members did not know the answers, they would be
. glad to get them. He asked that people who wanted to speak give their
name and address. He also asked that anyone who did not want to be
Included in the district say so--it was his feeling that they could
be omitted. He also said that the people who wanted a district should
have that right.
Mr. Scagliotti told what the Commission had accomplished in the
past years preparation of preliminary report and two ordinances. He
read table of contents of report and showed map. Boundaries of two
districts described. It was decided to localize District B and call
It Custom House District because of some opposition in Derby St, area.
He also said that after his talk before Historic Salem, Inc. last
fall he was approached by some residents of the Derby St. area who
wanted to be included. The Commission wants to present something to
the City Council that the people want.
Since a question had been raised about the legality of the call
of the meeting, Mr. Scagliotti stated that the Commission had received
a letter from the Assistant City Solicitor stating that due notice
was given. He also told people that copies of the preliminary report
would be passed out after the meeting. If people have any questions,
please call Commission members.
According to the Checklist provided by the State, we are now on
step #11. The next step of the Commission is to prepare a final re-
port which will go to the City Council and must be passed by a 2/3
vote in favor for adoption. Mr. Scagliotti told residents that if
they were for a district in their area to let their city councillor
• know. If they were against it, `to please let the Commission know so
they could be excluded.
Meeting then opened to the public to speaks
Mr. Robert Kehn, President, Hawthorne Hotel, stated that the Board of
Directors of the Hotel had voted unanimously to oppose the creation of
a historic district. He stated that the Hotel was one of city's
largest employers and that they felt they already had too many controls.
No one approached them and asked if they wanted to be in a district.
Mr. Scagliotti said that the Hotel was probably the least likely to come
under control, but Mr. Kehn replied that they can't tell what is going
to happen in 10 years. Mr. Scagliotti pointed that control was over
exterior appearance only. He disagreed that professional integrity
of the Commission would be questionable.
Mr. David Full, 84 Washington Sq. (Full Funeral Home ) said that the
Common was different from Chestnut St. as the former also contained
businesses. He expressed his concern that in 10 or 20 years, there
might be the possibility that historic districts would be taxed higher.
He felt that successors on the Commission might interpret rules dif-
ferently. He said that his business` plans to be on the Common 20 years
from now and that they don't want someone telling them what kind of a
chimney they have to put up. They feel government is already unwieldy
without adding more departments. They do not want to be included.
Mr. Scagliotti pointed out that the Commission would offer free advice A
to residents (eg. in rebuilding a chimney) . The Commission feels it
. is offering more of a service than taking away rights. The Commission '1
Is regulated to act within 60 days. If the Commission refuses a re-
quest, it is asking the property owner to reconsider what he is doing
architecturally--not saying that he cannot do it. Regarding a possible
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Mr, Bill Toomey, 96 Washington Sq. , spoke representing his father.
He asked >if the district would be taxed more than other areas, No
comment from Ward Councillors, We should find out answer--contact
• city assessors. According to George Ahmed, the group currently doing
appraisals in the city base valuation on house size, number of rooms
and bathrooms. He doesn't think being in a historic district will
affect tax rate, Bill Tinti pointed out that the only correct source
would be the City Solicitor and Assessor. He said that the experience ..
of the S.R.A. in .the renewal area has been, that if anything, taxes
tend to be lower on a historic building because of the restrictions
placed upon it= Se, restraint,
Mr. Toomey said the second aspect of his father's concern was
freedom. He might want to take down chimneys and not replace, as an
example, Mr. Scagliotti 's answer was that the Commission has no con-
trol over chimneys. What about siding? Mr. Scagliotti explained the
application for hardship. If, in the Commission's opinion, an undue
financial burden is placed on the homeowner, they can issue a certifi-
cate of hardship. This was done in Marblehead in the case of an elderly
woman who was allowed to put vinyl siding on her home. Also a home-
owner who wants to make changes can present his case to his neighbors,
If all agree with what he wants to do, can sign waiver of hearing,
Mr. Toomey said he still had to go on record as being opposed, per
his father's instructions,
Mr. Full asked what would happen if someone violated regulations and
went ahead without a certificate? He would have to go to court,
Mrs, Betty Michaud, 31 Briggs St -asked how many houses would be
• needed to constitute a district, Mr. Chalifour replied that since
Commission has to have an ordinance for each district, that it couldn't
be done for Just one or two houses ,
Mr, William Russell Burns, representing his mother, Mrs , Wm, R. Burns, "t
3 Washington Square, said that creation of a district would be a posi-
tive opportunity. Residents would know other homes in the neighborhood
would be preserved--wouldn't have to worry about what neighbors might
do,
Joseph Saraceno, representing Knights of Columbus, 94 Washington Sq,
said they wanted to be eliminated, Since he was not at the meeting
when this decision made, he said he did not know reasons,
Marjorie Copeland, ]4 Washington Sq„ said it appeared that organiza-
tions and businesses in the area were against families. Some families
have lived in that area for four and five generations. Family tradi-
tion vs, organizations that don't care,
Mr. Saraceno relied that his organization does care--that they Just
spent close to 9150,000 on their building and that the woodwork inside
still preserved. He invited families in the area to come through, '
They don't want to change old portion of the building. Want to restore
exterior, x
Councillor O'Keefe criticized the way the hearing was being run--
didn't want aspersions cast on certain people--didn't like clapping,
• etc, Asked what our established rules of order were, Mr. Scagliotti
replied that this was nota council meeting--that it is a meeting for X r
residents to become informed and express their views,
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Mary Maloon, 1 Forrester St,--said her family the fifth generation to
occupy ,house. She cited the example of what had been done to the house
next door--if the people had had advice, they wouldn't have done it,
• She is for a district, I
Alice Jordan, 97 Derby St, . She wants to extend Derby St, district,
Says there are people on Derby St, who want to be included. Will give
us a petition she circulated, ,
Mr, Fulls If a district established and property changes hands, does
new owner have to remain in district? Yes,
Mr, Scagliotti went over the various certificates and described theme
certificates of appropriateness, non-applicability and hardship. Alto
waiver of public hearing,
William McKinnon who owns property on Kosciusko St, asked why hearing
was being held in North Salem--because this is building city assigned
us to have meetings in. He then asked why Kosciusko St, included in
Custom House area, Just diagramatic--just house on corner included.
How many buildings in area publically owned, 5 federal gov t, 1
private org, 3 private, He wanted to know why not dust include public
buildings. Commission included three private homes because people
wanted to be in.
It was pointed out that Commission is assuming that people on the
Common want to be in unless they say otherwise,
• Mr, McKinnon wanted to know how the district would affect an abutter.
Does district act as a whole against an abutter. Does it give them
more power? Mr. Griffin says no--each house treated on an individual
basis , r"
Vincent McNeil, 159 Derby St, Wanted to know if he had to give final
answer tonight, No. He is undecided, Mr. Ahmed pointed out that
zoning is not changed by being in a district. Historical _ Commission
has no control over zoning.
It was asked if City Council could amend district by putting in,=or
taking out. According to Councillor O'Keefe, Council can't add to
a district, but can exclude, (Mr. Nowak asked this question, )
David Johnson, 16 Kosciusko, said that he and his wife were abutters
and would 11ke to be included 1n the district,
Mrs, Betty Michaud, 31 Briggs St. '
t„ said she and her husband would like
to be recorded as in favor,
To summarizes the four persons (and/or organizations) who spoke
against districts were: David Full (Full Memorial ) , Joseph Saraceno '
(Knights of Columbus ) , Robert Kehn (Hotel Hawthorne ) and William 1.
Toomey, 15 people represented the Salem Common District at this
meeting,
In the Ward I area 3 from private homes recorded in favor; 1 (Mr,
• McNeil) not sure,
Ralph Doering, 33 Washington Sq, said that he was for the district,
Mrs. Copeland spoke for the Home for Aged Women and said they were In s
favor,
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Mr, Scagliotti said people were welcome to come to next Commission
meeting if any further questions or concerns ,
• Mr, Full thanked Commission and said meeting was conducted very well.
They do not wish to be included but he wished people well who did,
The meeting was adjourned at 9115 p,m,
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk
Addendumi
Following the meeting, Mr, Jack Baker, owner of 98 Washington Sq.
came forward. He owns a business there and wants to fix up building
when he can afford to do so. Is presently working on interior.
He is in favor,
George Nowak asked us to consider adding vacant land Mr. McKinnon
owns on Kosciusko St, and building beyond it owned by Mr, David
Crosby,
The next meeting of the Commission will be held on Wednesday,
• June 6 at 7:30 p,m, at the North Branch Library,
Affixed to the original copy of these minutes in the Clerk's note- -�
book are the lists of homeowners notified of this hearing, The
Assistant City Solicitor suggested that this besdone, for the record,
in case any residents complained about not receiving proper notifica-
tion. Commission members already have copies of this list, so it
will not be mailed out with the minutes, (E,S,H, )
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION -- Executive Meeting -- May 23, 1973
. The Salem Historical Commission met in executive session on
May 23, 1973, at 7 :30 p.m. at the home of Mrs . Francis C. Welch,
41 Chestnut St. , Salem. Present were Mssrs. Scagliotti, Ahmed,
Callahan, Chalifour, and Griffin and Mesdames Welch and Hunt.
Mr. Scagliotti opened the meeting by reading letters from the
following property owners who do not wish to be included in a
historic District: Thomas O'Donnell (46 Washington Sq. ) , William
J. Welch (Nos. 51-53 & 82 Washington Sq. ) , George W. Full (84
Washington Sq. ) .
Mr. Chalifour said that the Full Funeral Home is putting up
a new sign. Re : The Common. Mr. Scagliotti only wants to include
those property owners who want to be in district so it will go through
the Council. Mr. Chalifour questioned. whether a spotty district
would be meaningful. Mr. Scagliotti pointed out that given the
resentment of the city council, the Commission has to consider 2
things. 1. It could adopt a spotty district and 2. It could add
to that district as houses are sold in the future.
Some good news : letters from Common residents in support of
a' district: Bertram Home in favor ( letter from Peter Seamans) ,
Mr. Robert F. Moore, 41 Washington Sq. N. (tenant of the Doerings) ,
Ralph Doering, who owns #s 31, 33, 39 and 41 Washington Sq. wants
to be in district. Max Cutler, 4 Briggs St. , wants to be included.
Also a letter from a Derby. St. area resident, David Johnson, 16
Kosciusko St. , wants to be included in Custom House district.
The minutes of the hearing were accepted. Correspondence
from Mr. Leavitt of the Bay State Historical League read. Ballot
and notice of next Bay State Historical league Meeting and letter
regarding Bicentennial Funds. Newsletter re: Salem Peabody
Connector Study. We have to answer letter from 'F. R. Harris, Inc .
Mr. Scagliotti will get copies and clerk will mail out before next
meeting. Mr. Ahmed told about a meeting he attended recently on
the Connector study.
Mr. Ahmed_ said he would like to see a plan showing how the
Common area would look visually with some of the buildings eliminated.
The Clerk reminded the Commission that the Essex Institute would
like all of its properties included in the Common district. An
outline map was devised.. Mr. Chalifour asked. what the point was :of'
having a district if half of the houses were eliminated. We know"
of at least 8 who want to be excluded. Why should they have the t
benefits and none of the restrictions of a district. George Ahmed - -
suggested that we see if people who want the district will apply
political pressure on those who don't. The chances of the whole
district passing the City Council are very poor.
Mrs. Welch introduced her house guest, Miss Ann Wardwell$
who is a consultant with the Mass . Historical Commission.
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It was asked if the historic district laws are contestable
as confiscatory. Cases can go to court, but the courts have gen-
erally stood for majority rule--exceptions might be made for the aged
and poor, according to Miss Wardwell. She said a lot of talking
goes on in back rooms prior to the creation of a district. She
believes that the Beacon Hill Commission has done the best job in
respect to public relations and knowledge and views of the people .
Historical Commission should act as a levelling and advice-giving
body, thereby keeping flagrant violations to a. minimum.
Miss Wardwell asked how long there had been a hotel on Washing-
ton Sq. In Charleston and Savannah there have been compromises re :
new hotels.
The Cambridge Historical Commission has worked closely with the
Planning Board, but they have a well-funded Commission. Miss Ward-
well couldn' t think of any gerrymandered districts that have succeeded.
She asked' about set-back. Most Common Houses are on the property-
line. She said the Mass Historical Commission would probably urge
all efforts to work out a cohesive district. It is important to
work on the Hotel and the Knights of Columbus as they represent a
large number of members and stockholders . Ask them what they object
to specifically. Mr. Scagliotti said he spent a lot of time with
the O'Donnells and Toomeys . They don't want any kind of control.
Historic Districts need more positive advertising. Mr. Ahmed said
Commission should contact individual councillors. Mr. Scagliotti
said that Mr. Sa.raceno represented the K. 0 C. but not the whole
membership, because he is a member and was never consulted. Ire
need. some good press on districting. Perhaps David Johnson of the
News would help.
Miss Wardwell doesn't know if the state will accept a gerry-
mandered district, but since we 've had the public hearing, they
would have no say. If district is extanded after the preliminary
report and hearing, the Commission can add without submitting a
special report, etc. But if added to after whole thing has gone through,
it is called an addition. She advised sending in basic inventory
(adding any new houses) , maps and final report.
Mr. Griffin said he believes we are at a, point where we have
to table the Common district and do some p. r. work and see if we
can change some attitudes . Full, O 'Donnell and the Hotel will be
hard. Others might change. Mr. Ahmed wants to go ahead with the
original plan. Mr. Chalifour suggested we go ahead with Custom
House area and. try to do Derby St. separately. He put this in the
form of a motion: that the Commission for the time being concentrate
on the Custom House Area with the intent of creating a district,
separately, and that the Commission continue to work on the Common i
District until such time as the Commission feels it can be acted
! upon. Discussion followed.
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Mrs. Welch brought a rough map showing houses who signed
petitons last year circulated by Derby St. residents who were in
favor of a historic district. She will work on surveying Derby
St. area over the weekend with the help of the Misses Jordan.
Mr. Chalifour suggested that the district be confined to Derby St. ,
rather than going down the side streets . He also pointed out that
some people on Derby Street could be against a district--if we
include them, we stand a chance of losing the entire street. It
was elecided that we might have to revert back to a smaller dis-
trict if people object to being included. It was suggested that
we make the district as large as we safely can. Motion to proceed
with surveying Derby St. carried. We should also include houses on
the Derby Mi arf side (west side) of Kosciusko St. Mr. Ahmed said
that the property at 159 Derby St. is still for sale .
Election of officers will be held at the next regular meeting
on June 6, 1973, at 7 :30 at the North Branch Library.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 :45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
June 6, 1973
AGENDA
1. Reading and approval of last meeting's minutes
2. Report of Members:
(a) Salem Common Area
(1 ) Brennan Property
(2) Full's Neon Sign
(3) 6 Hawthorne Blvd.
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(b) Custom House Area
3. Reports of Special Nature
(a) Bay State Historical League Letter from Mr. Henry 1
(b) National Register Letter
4. Unfinished Business
(a) Derby Street
5. New Business
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION -- Minutes of Meeting -- June 6, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at the North Branch Library
• on June 6, 1973, at 700 p.m. Present were Mssrs. Scagliotti, Bishop,
Callahan and Chalifour and Mesdames Welch and Hunt, Guests attending
were Mr. & Mrs. Ralph Doering, residents of the Salem Common area,
and James Baldwin and Jacob Wolfson, representing Historic Salem, Inc.
The Meeting was called to order. It was voted to omit the reading
of the minutes of the previous meetings. The first item on the agenda
was the Salem Common area. Mr. Chalifour explained that problems re-
lating to the Common were discussed at the last Historic Salem Board i,
meeting. It was decided��,to ask those close to the situation report
and see what can be done as a joint effort. The first item was 90-92
Washington Sq. -- Florence Brennan is seeking a variance to permit
law offices at this address. Mr. Scagliotti reported that he spoke
with Mrs . Copeland and it was her understanding that the property has
already been purchased by the attorneys. The public hearing will be
continued on June 18 and following that, another executive session
will be held. At the initial hearing it was made clear that the sale
of the property did not depend on the variance being granted.
The Commission was brought up to date on the situation by the
Doerings. They said that at the hearing there was quite a bit of
opposition--the only ones speaking in favor were attorneys involved.
Mrs. Doering showed the Commission a zoning map of the city and ex-
plained that the purpose of zoning was to protect the public health,
welfare, etc. Salem Common is a park RC zone. Washington Square is
R2. She explained the process of seeking a variances Public notice
is given, then hearing held. When hearing is closed, no more petitions
may be presented. An executive session was held May 21--any new evi-
dence presented at that time would be illegal. The petitioners must
prove why they should be granted a variance. A special condition must
exist which generally doesn't affect other buildings in the area.
Petitioner must prove hardship and that the change would not be detri-
mental to the public and not a serious deviation. All four above have
to be proved. Mrs . Doering pointed out that most historic residential
areas in Salem are zoned R-2 . R-2 areas are more vulnerable. Two-
family dwellings, historic buildings open to the public and museums
are permitted In an R-2 area. A special permit (which is easier to
get than a variance ) is required to establish funeral homes, multi-
family units-not to exceed 4- and professional offices when they are
operated by resident and do not exceed 25% of the floor space of the
building or use more than one non-resident employee. The Law firm of
Ronan and Harrington wants to use the first 2 floors of 90-92 Washing-
ton Sq, for law offices. . Mrs . Doering said that a variance is a per-
manent change--it goes with the building. Therefore residential use of
building may be lost forever. The residents of the Common area are
mostly in favor of historic districting= most of the commercial busi-
nesses are against. Why does the law firm want to be in a residential
area instead of downtown in renewal area nearer to courthouse, etc.
They are picking up space at a reasonable price with a prestigious
address. Mrs. Doering feels it would be a bad precedent to set. This
could happen in other R-2 areas . If area becomes too commercial, g
It might lose R-2 classification.
Mr. Baldwin asked how many businesses and how many residences in
Common area. About 17 homes and 4 or 5 businesses .
Mr. Callahan read from Mr. Davoren's report that if the greater
number of homeowners want a district, it should be established.
The question was raised--can the Historical Commission take a
stand on issue of zoning--we can try. Commission members can do it
individually, if not collectively. Can we send a letter? Ask Mr.
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Griffin and if necessary, Mr. Pitcoff. It was voted unanimously that
the Commission take a stand to back residents and oppose variance,
The hearing will be held June 18 at 7 p.m. Mrs. Doering advises getting
• there a bit early. She asked us to come as individuals if we can't
come as a Commission.
The next item of discussion, also regarding the Common, was the
illuminated sign Full Memorial has put up over their front door. A
photograph of this was shown. According to zoning regulations, pro-
fessional signs are restricted--they must be non-electric and cannot
protrude. We don°t know if the same restrictions apply to Funeral
homes, Has Full applied for a permit. If not, they might be in viola-
tion. Chapter 4, part 24 of the Salem Building Code states that if a
sign is over a certain size or protrudes--a hearing must be held.
Mrs. Welch will check with the building inspector, Mr. O'Brien, to
see if Full has applied for a permit. Jim Baldwin doesn't think there
is much regulation of signs in the city. Visitors from the Common
and Historic Salem, Inc, were thanked for coming and meeting with the
Commission.
6 Hawthorne Blvd. A letter read from .Mr. Neiley concerning changes
to property at 6 Haw home Blvd. Can the Commission participate in
issues such as this . This is not pant of a district whereas the other
two above issues discussed are, Mrs. Welch feels Commission should
survey Hawthorne Blvd, and get info, into the State. These people
would have to want to have a district, We could write a letter asking
owner to reconsider. Problem: it has already been done . Mr. Scagliotti
will write Mr. Neiley and Commission will survey.
Mrs, Welch reported that the State has newer, simpler forms.
Mr. Scagliotti reported that, by request, he attended a K. of C.
meeting and was asked to express his views on historic districting.
The President of the Society admitted Knights were in error in represent-
ing all their members. Bob asked to present facts. He has been
asked to write a piece for their newsletter. He will make a presentation
on June 18, then the membership will vote in July. Bob was asked to
mention Mr. Callahan's name in the article, as he is also a Knight.
He hopes the Knights will reconsider. If they do, Bob would like to
ask Mr. Griffin to talk to the Toomeys , If they change their mind,
the Welches might. Mr. Callahan said he would be willing to talk to
Hank O'Donnell. Wait until we see how things go with K. of C.
Derby St, area: Also attending the meeting were two residents of the
Derby St, area, the Misses Alice and Delores Jordan. It was explained
that the Commission is going to try to expand the Custom House area.
Most of the people initially opposed to a district in that area live
on side streets. The Misses Jordan agreed it was better to do Derby
St, When they circulated their petition, they did not have time to do
all the side streets ; it would be better to concentrate on houses that
face, number or abutt Derby St. We need to educate people ,
Mrs. Welch said that the H.S. I. survey goes only as far as
Carleton and White Sts, Do we want to go farther? Mrs. Welch will
check assessors list. She didn't want to go until she had minutes of
of executive meeting and was sure it was a vote to expand Derby St.' }
Ray Chalifour said we had decided to go as far as we could until we
met opposition. Motion made by Ray Chalifour and seconded to continue
the study and survey of Derby Street as an extension to our previous
study, starting at Herbert Street and going all the way to the end of
Derby Street. Mr, Callahan offered to help Mrs . Welch and the Misses
Jordan later this month when he has a week off. Motion carried unani-
mously.
A questionnaire was received from the Bay State Historical-league. Y
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We will read this and take it up next month.
We have received notification from the state that the House of Seven
., Gables is now on the National Register,
New Business: The Clerk reported she had been contacted by the
City Planner's Office. They would like our endorsement to get St,
Peter's Church on the National Register, Mr, Peter Scholnick of
the Planning Office would like a letter of endorsement from the
Commission to this effect; which he will forward to the Mass, Historical
Commission,
The Commission members examined next the road map concerning the
North Street overpass and proposed construction of new connector
road regarding placement of the Revolutionary War marker, Does the
new Road include a sidewalk? Mr. Scagliotti will write the engineering
firm that the Commission has no objections to the moving of the marker
so long as they notify us where and entourtage.
Ceremony for unveiling of plaque at Hamilton Hall, Mr, Chalifour
reported that he has been in contact with Mr. Allen, The former
Mayor cannot attend and he hasn't been able to contact Mayor Levesque,
Mr, Chalifour will call Mr. Allen back tomorrow to see if he has been
able to reach mayor. He hopes the Commission members will be there.
All are invited to come . The ceremony will be held at Hamilton Hall
'9 Chestnut St, , Salem, on Saturday, June 23; at 2 p.m. , at which time
the plaque designating the hall as a National Historic Landmark will
be unveiled,
Mr. Scagliotti was asked to continue on as chairman of the Historical
Commission for another month. Motion to this effect made and seconded.
Motion carried unanimously.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk, Historical Commission
The next meeting of the Historical Commission will be held July 11
at 7: 30 p,m, at the North Branch Library, (second Wednesday, as
first Wed. Is a holiday)
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION Meeting Judy 11, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at the North Branch Library
on July 11, 1973, at 700 p.m. Present were Mssrs , Scagliotti,
Bishop, Callahan, Chalifour, Griffin and Mrs. Hunt (Clerk) ,
A motion was made and seconded that the reading of the minutes
of the previous meeting be omitted.
Salem Common areas The Brennan property has been sold to the
law firm of Ronan and Harrington and the petition for a variance has
been withdrawn because of opposition from so many of the neighbors ,
Mr. Scagliotti read a note from Mrs . Welsh informing us that the
Full Funeral Home was not issued a permit and according to the building
inspector, Mr. O'Brien, he was not aware that they had erected a sign.
Mr. Scagliotti reported that he wrote an article re historic district-
ing for the K. of C. newsletter, Because of change in officers, the
new Grand Knight did not want to put article in newsletter. He has
appointed a committee of 6 to. study the issue , Mr. Scagliotti has
xeroxed copies of his article to give to members of the committee,
Mr. Callahan thought K. of C. was upset because they wanted to hot-
top sidewalk and thought Commission wouldn't let them, (Area presently
not a district and Commission has no control over sidewalks anyway, )
Derby Street, The Misses Jordan told Mr. Callahan they had
done as far as they could in completing survey forms , Ray Chalifour
has all the material. Forms have to be completed as far as historical
data.
Hawthorne Boulevard forms have been partially done by Mrs ,
Welch, Mr, Scagliotti asked that these be hled in abeyance until
Derby Street material is done, Perhaps members of H.S. I, could
help out, Mr. Chalifour thought most couldn't go much farther. He
and Mr, Scagliotti will finish forms.
Bay State Historical Leagues letter from Mr, Henry. Mr,
Scagliotti doesn't think this applies to the Commission so no need
to reply. Also letter from Mr. Leavitt refers to funding for
museums. Asks us to write to congressmen, etc. We might be outdi
of order as we have no jurisdiction in this area, Mr. Scagliotti
feels.
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Mr. Scagliotti wrote a letter to Mr. Scholnick of the City
Planning Office recommending that St. Peter's Church be placed on
the National Register, per his request. He also wrote to Bob Demer
regarding the connector road, saying that the Salem Historical Com-
mission feels placque should remain. We would not be opposed to
relocating on placque in the area, providing sidewalk provided so
public would have access to placque.
Letter to Mr. Neilly regarding shop on Hawthorne Blvd,
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Mrs, Welch asked Mr. Callahan to call Mrs. Raymond Maloon,
Common residents are reactivating Common Assn, They ate interested
In bringing in side streets as part of district. Clerk took hog T
some forms. She will try to get help from some neighbors in f, lling
out, Mr. Chalifour said we should caution them that this is r' t a
guarantee that all the side streets will be included, Mr. Scagliotti
thinks the more enthusiasm, the better. Mr. Callahan noted that it
takes experience to work on forms. Perhaps we could get some help
from area college students, d
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• Motion made by Mr. Chalifour and seconded by Mr. Bishop that
Commission forego August meeting. Motion carried.
The next regular meeting of the Commission will be in September,
on second Wednesday (September 12 ) at North Branch Library.
The meeting was adjourned at 8015 p.m. as there was no
further business .
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt
Clerk
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION Executive Meeting August 8, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission held an executive meeting at
the home of Mrs. Francis C. Welch, 41 Chestnut St. , Salem, on 8/8/73
at 7 :30 p.m. Present were Mssrs. Scagliotti, Bishop, Chalifour and
Mesdames Welch and Hunt.
Mr. Scagliotti called the meeting to order and said there was no
agenda for this meeting since there were only two items of business.
Since Mr. Scagliotti is resigning from the Commission as he has recently
gone into business for himself and has been appointed as staff architect
for the S.R.A. , there will have to be a replacement to fill his position.
He is willing to serve as a consultant to the Commission. The Commission
members present checked Chapter 40C to see if the position has to be
filled by an architect. Law reads "where possible . Mr. Scagliotti
recommended Mrs. Marjorie Copeland, who is a resident of the Common.
After some discussion, it was felt that Commission should try to find
an architect, as professional advice is needed on so many matters.
John Emerson suggested. Bob will call him and ask if he is willing to
serve, but will contact the BSA (Boston Society of Architects) first
as they are supposed to recommend an architect.
Re: the Common. Mrs. Welch brought up the matter of going ahead
and getting Common on the state and national registers. Vie had originally
asked the state to wait on this as Commission felt it might be confused
with local attempts to create a district. Perhaps we should contact
state and see where things stand.
Application for Certificate of Non-Applicability. An application
has been received from Jeremiah S. Burns to build an extension of a
small back porch off the dining room at the rear of property on 15
Chestnut St. Size will be 11' x 11 ' , screened and with an awning roof.
Porch will not be seen from the street. The Commission members unani-
mously voted to approve the application and issue a certificate of
Non-applicability. Original certificate (#1) will be sent to Mr. Burns
with a copy to the Building Inspector and a copy for our files.
Derby Street. Mr. and Mrs. David Johnson contacted commission
members as they are concerned about the house at #159 Derby St. which
was recently sold. New owner has opened an ice cream parlor. Has
signs on house and is serving ice cream from rear window. Residents
are concerned. that he may eventually alter house as business grows.
She cannot stop him from operating a business, but if area is districted,, Y...
Commission would have control over exterior changes to building. After
discussion, Mrs. Welch made a motion that the survey of Derby St. be
completed as soon as possible, by Sept. meeting, and that as soon there-
after as possible, a public hearing be held. Boundaries of district, -
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istrict would be Derby Street from Herbert St. to Webb St. , including the Vest`
side of Kosciusko St. Motion seconded by Mr. Bishop and carried.
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New officers : since Commission Chairman has resigned, Commission
must elect a new chairman. It was decided since several members were
absent to hold off on election. A Vice-Chairman must also be elected
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• as Mr. Ahmed would prefer to serve on the Commission as a member
rather than as an officer. A motion was made by Mr. Bishop and
seconded by Mrs. Welch that Mr. Chalifour be asked to serve as
Chairman pro tem until Commission elects a permanent chairman. Motion
carried.
Hawthorne Boulevard. Mrs. Welch will complete survey forms.
Things are happening fast and Commission should proceed with vigor,
according to Mr. Scagliotti. Cedar shingles have been put on house
on corner of Essex St. and Hawthorne Blvd. recently.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:35 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt, Clerk
The next meeting of the Commission will be held on the second
Wednesday in Sept. (Sept. 12) at 7 :30 p.m. at the Nortli Franch
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Salem Historical Commission Meeting Sept. 12, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at the North Branch Library
at 7 :30 p.m. on Sept. 12, 1973. Present were Mr. Chalifour, Mr.
Callahan, Mrs. Welch, Mr. Bishop, Mr. Griffin and Mrs . Hunt.
The meeting was called. to order at 7 :45. The first item of
business brought before the Commission was the proposed alteration
to a barn at 12 Chestnut St. The owners, Mr. & Ytrs . Channing Baca.11,
wish to make a. change in the existing doors . Plans were presented
and the Commission members agreed that the proposed changes were
acceptable. In order to determine the correct proceed.ure, the
Commission referred to Chapt. 40C, p. 63. It was decided to waive
the public hearing and have the Bacalls obtain the signatures of
their near neighbors that they agree to the waiver. The clerk will
take the necessary form to Mrs. Bacall. If the neighbors have no
objection, the Commission will issue a certificate of Appropriate-
ness .
Mr. Bishop brought in two newspaper clippings which he thought
might be of interest to Commission members : one concerning" a battle
over vinyl siding in Lexington; the other about Chestnut St. being
made a National Historic District.
Discussion of election: Mr. Chalifour will continue as temporary
chairman until the Commission has a full meeting. The Mayor has not
yet appointed a new member to fill the va.ca.ncy. Mr. Scagliotti has
submitted John Emerson's name to the Mayor.
#18 Chestnut St. The Commission was requested by the City
Planner and a resident to take up the matter of a zoning violation
(i.e. , more than two families residing in this house) . Since the
Commission has no control over zoning, it was the feeling that we
have no jurisdiction in this matter. It was suggested that the Chest-
nut Street Associates handle this matter. The house is owned. by
the Frederiksons who are renting it. The Frederiksons have already
received a. copy of the Chestnut St. ordinance. It was suggested
that we mail their tenants a copy of the letter and ordinance so
they would be aware that they were living in a. district. Since they
do not own the house, they would not be apt to be making any exterior
changes to the buildings .
Firs . !Ajelch said another new family is living in the district:
an architect named Pagden has bought #27 Chestnut St. They should
also receive a copy of letter and ordinance.
The next item of business was discussion of the. hearing for a
Derby St. district. It was suggested that this meeting be held a,V;r'
Emmerton Hall, but since this is not a public building and since
there is some ill feeling from Turner St. area. residents re the
Gables , it was decided to see if we could use the East Branch
Library instead of Emmerton Hall. Mrs . Welch gave the clerk a
list of property owners gathered from survey. Mr. Chalifour pointed `
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out that the maps will have to be redone : we will have to have a
41 seperate one for each district: the Common and Derby St. Mr.
Chalif our will redo the Common map and Mrs. Welch will redo Derby St.
( she has a rough map of the street, showing all houses in favor of
district) . The ice cream parlor is being fixed. up, it was reported,
and it looks like they are planning to do something with window on
wharf side. The rest of the houses on Derby St. (other than those
included in Custom House area) need inventory numbers . Mrs . Welch
will ask the Jordan sisters if they would be willing to call owners
of houses that we have no date information on to see if they know
the age of their house. Clerk will xerox list of names. Mr. Chali-
four will check Libby Reardon's survey.
The Derby St. ordinance will have to be rewritten to restate
boundaries. All houses numbered, facing and abutting on North and
South sides of Derby Street from Herbert St. on the west to Block
House Sq. on the east and including all houses numbered, facing or
abutting on the west side of Kosciusko St. Since this is an ex-
tension of the Custom House district, we do not have to file another
preliminary report. Original opposition in the area was primarily
from Turner St. Several commercial buildings on Derby St. ; restaurants,
bars, gift shops , caterers , etc . It was decided to have the
hearing after rather than at our Oct. meeting. At the October
. meeting we will pull together all material and set a date for the
hearing. At that time the clerk will notify all owners of property
in the proposed district, plus ward councillor, George Nowak.
She will need a list of homeowners for Kosciusko St.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 15 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt, Clerk
The next meeting of the Commission will be held on fed. , Oct. 3,
1973, at 7 :30 p.m. at the North Branch Library.
Salem Historical Commission Oct. 3, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission was invited to attend a meeting
sponsored by the Salem Redevelopment Authority on Oct. 3, 1973 at
7 :30 p.m. at the Old Town Hall. Mr. John Collins, landscape architect
for the S.R.A. gave a slide presentation on open space planning, kiosks
and. sculpture in the renewal area. He explained. the purpose of the
kiosks; as well as serving as informational centers (since no posters
will be allowed in store windows) , the kiosks also house lighting,
electrical equipment and meters . Mr. Collins would like to carry out
spirit of Hawthorne 's suggestion of water with a fountain in East India
Square and Plaza (where St. Peter St. used to be) . The original town
pump was located in Town House Square. Only an old. millstone now marks
the site. Mr. Collins would like some help in research on Hawthorne
idea.. He showed maps pinpointing where sculpture, kiosks and planting
could be located. There will also be a bus shelter on <<'t;ashington St.
Need for tourist information areas--maps to orient people coming into
historic part of city. Regarding kiosks : there was some criticism as
to color and placement. Mr. Collins agreed that orange not an appropriate
color. He is in favor of changing color to a dark bronze. The City
Planner controls the kiosks . There will be strict sign control in the
renewal area. Sign manual designed by Jim Baldwin. Mr. Collins
pointed out that pure sculpture and graphics does not come under his
jurisdiction. As to the placement of the kiosk in Derby Square, he
said its placement was determined by the proximity to two major utility
lines . Mr. Robert Murray, Chairman of the Cultural Arts Commission,
expressed disappointment that the kiosk was so located, as it renders
that space unusable for dramatic productions. Mr. Willism Tinti, Chair-
man of the S.R.A. told us they have formed a committee with the city
regarding closing of streets. He explained the order of the demolition
contracts and how they tied in with the closing of streets . Some local
merchants present expressed concern about the number of parking spaces
and whether there would be sufficient parking. Mr. Tinti assured them
that eventually there would be. Landscaping will be designed by John
Collins . His designs are reviewd by design review board and must be
passed by the S.R.A. The Historical Commission adjourned to Mr. Scag-
liotti 's office in the Old Town Hall where its regular meeting was held.
At 9 : 15 p.m. , following the above presentation, members of the
Historical Commission met to discuss several items of business . All
members presently serving on the Commission were present. 11r. Chalifour
who is serving as acting chairman presided. The first order of business
was a letter to the Mayor regarding the pending appointment of John
Emerson, asking him if he could get the City Council to approve the
appointment as soon as possible as the Commission needs to have a full
board to handle the work ahea.d_.
Next item of discussion was the draft of an ordinance for the �..
extension of the Custom House Historic District. A motion was made by `
P:Tr. Griffin to amend the nomenclature of the Custom House Historic
T)istrict, to be hereafter designated as the Derby Street Historic
District. Motion seconded and carried. *�
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Secretary asked to send letter to Mass . Historical Commission
when forms are sent in, advising them of this change, with description
of new boundaries , etc . If they feel we should send more information
they can request it from us . Mrs. Welch will double check with Mrs .
Amadon. Miss Wardwell told us that we could add on to the district
without submitting another preliminary report.
1', r. Chalifour has forms almost completed. When he has them
finished clerk will xerox. Mrs . Welch has the material that was
xeroxed: in the Custom House area..
It was suggested that along with the notice of public hearing to
property owners in the district that a covering letter be sent,
explaining the purpose of the hearing. Also that a map showing the
boundaries of the district be xeroxed on the reverse side of the
proposed ordinance and that a copy of the original ordinance also be
sent to each homeowner. The boundaries were corrected on the proposed
ordinance to read as follows : ". . .all the land and. buildings comprising
the parcels numbered, facing or abutting on Derby Street and the north-
westerly side of Kosciusko Street, beginning with and including, at the
northwesterly extreme of the historic District, #k27 Herbert Street (at
the intersection of Herbert Street and Derby Street) and extending in a
southeasterly direction along Derby Street, including nevertheless the
northwesterly side of Kosciusko Street as aforesaid, and continuing
southeasterly and easterly along to the end of Derby Street, excluding
the land and buildings owned by the New England Power Company at the
easterly extreme of Derby Street and the southerly side thereof.
The Commission will have to submit a new map of the area, showing
back lot lines . Mr. Ahmed expressed concern about side lots--this area
might be contested if not carefully defined. Mr. Chalifour will have
the map reduced so the clerk can xerox it on the back side of the
ordinance. When this proposal goes to the City Council, the Commission
will have to submit a detailed map of lot lines .
The clerk will make arrangements for a hall. See if we can use
the East Branch Library on Wednesday, October 24 at 8 P.M.
See how this hearing goes . We agreed we would go down Derby Street
until we met opposition.
Mrs . TPlelch told us that the Common is being submitted to the
National Register by the state . Also the Chestnut St. area. (which
includes the whole area bounded by Flint, Broad, Summer and North,
and. Federal Streets) . If these areas are acceptedthey will become
national historic districts .
Mr. Ahmed requested that the clerk include in the minutes that
the notice of this meeting was posted outside the North Branch Library.
The meeting was adjourned. at 10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth Hunt, Clerk
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION Public Hearing Oct. 24, 1973
A Public Hearing was held at the East Branch, Salem Public
Library, Oct. 24, 1973. at 8 p.m. for the purpose of proposing an
historic district for Derby Street.
Acting Chairman, Raymond L. Chalifour, introduced the Commission
members present, who were Mssrs . Chalifour, Ahmed, Callahan and
Mesdames Welch and Hunt. He said that due to the interest shown
at the public hearing in May and because residents of the area had
requested that the Commission extend the boundaries, the Commission
had done so and had changed the name from Custom House District to
Derby Street district. The new boundaries were explained.
Mr. Chalifour then described how the various certificates worked
(read from Chestnut Street letter) . He cited examples of two
changes on Chestnut Street where certificates had been granted and
pointed out that the process was neither lengthy nor costly.
Meeting then opened for discussions
Miss Dolores Jordan, 97 Derby St. , asked what was meant by
hardship? Financial hardship. Mr. Ahmed mentioned vinyl siding as
an example--if an elderly person found it too costly to heat his or
her home .
David Johnson, Kosciusko St. asked about building a garage or
driveway, as he pointed out, parking can be a hardship in the area.
• Driveway at grade level is all right. Garage , too, if building code
allows and if compatible design. Commission would have to approve
the latter.
Mrs . Louise Karoluck, 50 Derby St, said her house faces the
harbor and that Pickering Co, tanks block her view. She complained
about dirt and grease. In her case, it was pointed out, the
Commission would probably allow her to put up a fence , provided it
did not block her neighbors ' view.
Mr. Ahmed pointed out that in Salem we do not have deed restric=
tions . He said that it was unfortunate that Ward I contributing so
much of tax dollars--people in that area should get a tax reduction.
Miss Alice Jordan, 97 Derby St. , complained about trucks. The
residents need to get together and form an association.
John Sierakowski, 18 Hardy St. said he objected to being in a
historic district. He was told his house was not included. (not
facing, numbered or abutting Derby St. )
Mr. Chalifour suggested that people in favor of a district let
their councillor know. The Commission wants to educate people.
(Mr. Sierakowski under impression that being in a district would
Increase tourism and make his taxes go up. ) He was told this not
true . Mr. Chalifour pointed out that the Commission has spent a
. lot of time and effort on this project because those doing it
believed in it.
Daivd Johnson asked if people present should declare whether or
not in favor. Asked for show of hands . Most in favor. Only one
man (mentioned above ) opposed.
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Mr, Ahmed said that he does appraisals in Marblehead--prices sky-high
there. Property values have increased in Salem. He thinks Derby St,
. is a gold coast,
Mr, Henry Theriault, 143 Derby St. , has a shop there . He hears
tourists rave about Salem and realizes how much people love Salem,
Mrs, Burnaby said she left Marblehead to come to Salem,
John Whitehead, 8 Derby St. , said he lives across from oil
tanks. His house was a boat house . Cited polution problems,
Mr, Ahmed said residents should contact their state reps and
ask them to contact the state environmental impact study committee,
Miss Jordan asked if they could stop the building of more tanks.
If area became a, district, could stop only if federal funds used,
Mr. Johnson asked if any tentative timetable for introducing
proposal to city council. About a month.
People thanked for coming,
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Brief Commission meeting after hearing to discuss next procedures ,
Mrs . Welch will redo map indicating houses , Mrs. Hunt will call
• City Solicitor to find out how to submit to City Council,
We have to prepare a final report, Mr. Chalifour will draft.
Our next meeting is on November 7, At that time we will have draft
of final report and map. Can set date for council hearing and ask
councillor to introduce .
We need to spell out boundaries more clearly in ordinance--spell
out (# through #)
The meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt, Clerk
Salem Historical Commission Minutes of Meeting Nov, 7, 1973
Members of the Salem Historical Commission, along with the
Cultural Arts Commission, were invited to a presentation by the
S. R. A. on plans for the downtown urban renewal area, William
Tinti, Chairman of the S. R. A. , Bob Scagliotti, staff architect
and Bruce Pickersgill explained the plans for the downtown area
to us . We were shown proposals for fountains and sculpture for
Town House Square and East India Square , Town House square related
to water historically - site of town pump, according to Hawthorne .
Sculpture here would be a bas relief depicting history of Salem,
Design for pool and fountain in East India Square related to China
Trade--nap of Salem in relief on floor of pool--showing original
shoreline of Salem and. shore as it appears today, Mrs. Welch
asked about vandalism. Lights will be above--protected so less
easy to vandalize ,
We were shown drawings of proposed new buildings for market
area--open structures with brick piers. Different heights and
set-backs- to provide variety, The S, R. A. is designing and
paying for all the above .
Buildings receiving facade easement include Bernards, Wood ' s ,
Old Salam',Zardware , Custom House on Central St. , National House
Furniture , etc,
New construction; Essex House--the old plan called for
demolition; new plan for rehabilitation. Mondev and S. R. A.
did separate studies to see if it would be feasible to restore
• the buildin�. It could be done , but very difficult. Actually
there are 42 buildings behind a common facade. Original building
(Gray Mansion) buried inside , Part of that is gone . Some demoli-
tion has already taken place at rear of building because of con-
struction of parking garage . Mondev allowed to present a proposal
for a new building--same size and bulk as old. Contemporary
design with features derived from architectural forms familiar
to Salem, (eg, brick elements ) . Buildings across the street hard
so this building would provide relief by glass, Mr. Scagliotti
pointed out that new building would enclose the square . A glass
building would draw people in, They had thought of mirrored
glass, but they want people to see inside . The first floor of
the garage will be all retail. The structure of the Old Essex
House would be much more difficult to work with. They also studied.
the possibility of saving the facade--this would present difficulties
such as drop at corner and difficulty of making an arcade , Bob
Scagliotti felt it would be an obvious "stick-on" . All designers
feel arcade important for streetsca.pe , Bill Tinti wants to retain
the Lefavour Building--as it is the terminal point as one comes
up Central St, The Design Review Board against this ,
Mr, Tinti said that when the project is farther along - about a
year, It may be possible to tax owners same rate for unused space
--to encourage rehabilitation. They hope by next Christmas to
have market buildings and Front Street nearly completed , New Essex
House , if approved, would not be ready till June, 1975, Essex St, -
won' t start till next spring, New City Hall Annex intended to be
• very plain--expect completion by next December (1974 ,
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Robert Murray, Chairman of the Cultural Arts Comm, asked what
would happen to the buildings on Broad St. that the city is using,
Would they be in ,jeopardy once the new Annex is completed? They
will probably be sold by city. He also expressed the hope that
the quality of merchandize sold in Essex House would be good, Mr.
Pickersgill said the developers have a definitive merchandise plan
and that the Essex House is an A-1 location. There will be a charge
for parking, but they may work out a validation plan with a merchants '
association. All this will be determined by off-street parking
commission, Mr. Tinti announced that the public meeting next week -
Wed, Nov. 14 at 7:30 P.M. at the Old. Town Hall would be the final
meeting at which Essex House proposal will be aired , S. R. A. hopes
to take action by end of that week.
We thanked Mssrs, Tinti , Scagliotti and Pickersgill for their pro-
posal. They said they would welcome any comments from us. We
then went on to our regular meeting, which we held in the S. R. A.
office,,
Salem Historical Commission: regular meeting began at 8:30 p,m,
There was not a quorum as only three members present: Mrs , Welch,
Mr, Bishop and Mr. Callahan, plus clerk,
Mrs, Welch reported that no action has been taken on a replace-
went for Mr, Scagliotti--she had been told that the Mayor was waiting
until after the election.
A letter was read from Miss Jordan, signed by other Derby St,
. residents, asking their councillor, Mr, Nowak to submit the pro-
posal for an historic district to the City Council, Mr, Callahan
offered to speak to Mr. Nowak on behalf of the Commission--it was
decided that it would be a qood idea to invite him to our next
Commission meeting on Dec, 5 so we could go over the proposal with
him and discuss it.
The description of the boundaries was changed to read as
follows : "Beginning with and including, at the northwesterly ex-
treme, from #27 Herbert St. (at the intersection of Herbert St, and
Derby St, ) and extending east along Derby St, beyond #6 Derby St,
and including property designated as Block House Sqare . On the
southeasterly side, extending west beginning with aid including
#65 Derby St. , the Derby Wharf area and up to and excluding the
George W. Pickering Co, Also, including the west side of Kosciusko
St. , Nos, 6 through 22, "
Those present felt that it was not necessary to include survey
of individual buildings in final report presented to City Council.
In covering letter we can mention that Commission has copies of forms
on file. It would be a good idea to give Councillor Nowak a copy
of report in advance of his meeting with us. Clerk will send one
to Mr, Callahan, Clerk also reported that she had contacted Mr,
Donaldson, Asst City Solicitor re : procedure of presentation to c
City Council. He suggested we contact Ward Councillor first; if "
he didn't want to present it, we could ask one of the councillors-
at large. Can also be presented via City Clerk, but stands a better
chance if it comes from a councillor,
Mrs. Welch reported on a Bicentennial Committee Meeting she
attended last Week, Probably some one will be asked to be our
representative , Matching funds from state . Problem--not one speci-
fic event,
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Rejuvenation of Cities and ongoing events. Making things
more available to public and generating interest. State has given
money to high school for history program. Salem one of 6 most
important cities and towns in Commonwealth picked for Bicentennial ,
The Washington Square Association has been revived, Includes
Derby St, also,
Mrs. Welch told Commission about a group in Cambridge called
Visual Relevance--re, sign control.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 p.m,
Respectfully submitted,
Elizabeth S. Hunt, Clerk
The next meeting will be held on Wednesday, Dec , 5, at the
North Branch Library at 7 :30 p,m,
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SALEu HISTORICAL C013USSION 11inutes T)ec . 5, 1973
The Salem Historical Commission met at the North Branch
Library on Dec . 5, 1973, at 7 :30 p.m. Present were Mssrs . Chalifour,
Ahmed and Callahan and Mesdames 'Velch and Hunt.
Mr. Chalifour, Acting Chairman, called the meeting to order.
Mr. Ahmed suggested. that it would be a good idea to have a big
ma.p of the area of herby St. District (bulletin board size) so
that the Commission could make a proper presentation when district
is presented to the City Council. Clerk will ask City Planners
office if they can do this for us .
It would be a. good idea, all felt, to wait until after the
first of the year to present to Council, when new members come in
and there is a full council.
Mr.. Ahmed asked how things were going on the Common. airs .
Welch said the Common has an association now. Washington Sq. has
been placed on the National Register as a national historic district.
She feels we should try for Washington Sq. aga.in. , leaving out
the Hotel. Some new councillors might be more receptive to
historic districting. Tie should present T)erby St. first, then do
Washington Sq. Need more selling to those opposed. on Common
(K. of C . , etc . )
Mr. Ahmed expressed concern about the Willows (area around
the park) , fort, and ',:tinter Island. Effect of power plant
expansion on area (construction, traffic, etc . and its effect on
adjacent property) . also other waterfront areas in city which are
vulnerable to change .
1e received a letter from the Bay State Historical League
thanking us for renei;.ring our membership. They want individuals to
join as well as organizations .
Tubs . Hunt announced two meetings that Commission members are
invited to attend.
Dec . 11 - Hearing at City Hall regarding proposed zoning
changemrd 7. 8 p.m.
Dec . 12 - Bob Scagliotti has invited Commission to a. meeting
at thrown Hall at 7 :30 p.m. on subject of fountains for
Old Town Pump Sq. (Town House Sq.) and East India Sq. and Kiosks .
Mr. John Collins, Landscape Consultant to the S. R. A. , and Mr .
S. J. 77inter, sculptor and medalist, nirector of the ?wit . Everest
Mint will be present to discuss above topies .
Mr. Chalifour will contact Mayor again about filling vacancy on
Commission. Since Pur. Nowak, Ward. One Councillor, did not come
to our meeting this evening, that discussion has been postponed
till our Jan. meeting - to be held died. , Jan. 9, 1974 '
Respectfully submitted, E. Hunt, Clerk
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