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Board or Committee: Design Review Board – Regular Meeting
Date and Time: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 6:00 pm
Meeting Location: Remote Participation via Zoom
DRB Members Present: David Jaquith, Glenn Kennedy, Catherine Miller, Marc
Perras, Helen Sides, J. Michael Sullivan
DRB Members Absent: Chair Paul Durand
Others Present: Kate Newhall-Smith
Recorder: Colleen Brewster
Acting Chair Helen Sides calls the meeting to order at 6:00PM. Roll call was taken.
Signs in the Urban Renewal Area
1. 11 Church Street: Residency Records
Ken McTague of Concept Signs was present to discuss the project.
McTague stated that the two windows to the right of the entry door belong to the
neighbor. The sign band would be painted black, and the business name will only be
over their business, so visually it will look off-center; however, the other business owner
is willing to pay for the black façade to match his neighbor to continue the colors
scheme. Sides asked if there are brick piers breaking up the façade. McTague replied
yes, there is a pilaster between this business the bakery next door. Eventually all the
sign bands will be black, and the colors will no longer vary. Perras suggested the
continuous painting be part of the condition and he asked if the window will be opaque
as they appear in the renderings. McTague replied no, the windows will be clear.
Kennedy suggested the Records signs be center on each window. Sides asked if the
signage complies with the signage regulation requirements. Newhall-Smith replied yes.
Public Comment:
No one in the assembly wished to speak.
Jaquith: Motion to approve as presented with the entire awing face to be black.
Seconded by: Kennedy.
Roll Call: Kennedy, Miller, Jaquith, Perras, Sides, Sullivan were in favor. Passes 6-0.
Newhall-Smith noted her excitement with seeing new activity and tenants along the
Church Street side of the mall.
Projects in the Urban Renewal Area
1. 38 Norman Street: Final Design Review – Construction of a new mixed-use building
with commercial uses on the ground floor and residential uses above.
Attorney Scott Grover of Tinti & Navins, Ryan Wittig and Matthew Moore of Kinvarra
Capital, Philip Sima (Architect at Balance Architects)
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Atty. Grover stated that the Schematic Approval was in July 2021 and the project has
been peer reviewed and under Planned Unit Development (PUD) special permit review
process by the Planning Board (PB) since then, until they filed with the SRA for final
approval in February of this year.
Sima stated that the major changes include moving the trash area from the parking area
under the building to a room on the far left with recycling at the exterior since they don’t
believe the recycling will generate any aromas, although it will be concealed with a
clapboard surround. The residential entrance has been shifted to the right to
accommodate the trash area and the current curb cut will be closed and the area used
for deliveries and trash pickup. A vaulted transformer will be at grade outside the trash
room. The brick façade has been integrated into the residential entry along with vertical
trellises that continue the verticality of the bay above. Mechanical units were added to
the roof with a split system for the 20 units, as well as exhaust for the first-floor
commercial space. The rooftop decks will have railings for safety.
Sima stated that the materials changes include slatted wood privacy screens painted to
match the Hardi clapboard siding, more traditional light fixtures, 2 over 2 black non-vinyl
windows at the residential floors, and they took queues from structures within a 1-block
radius for the proposed brick color. The first-floor frosted windows along Crombie Street
could be an opportunity to include local art that represents the history of the site.
Perras asked if the top floor windows engage or stop short of the cornice. Sima replied
that they stop short of the wider part of the cornice, but they do engage with the shorter
band. Perras asked about the roof design. Sima replied that the roof will be sloped with
a drip edge and the main structure will have internal drains but not the base. Perras
asked about the vertical expressions between the windows, expressed sills, and the
banding above the third floor. Sima replied that they want to differentiate the bottom,
middle and top by including a relief between the windows with a corbeled effort or a
soldier course. The lintels and sills will be slightly recessed with a color matched
concrete and the lintels will be in line with the jamb not extend beyond it. Perras noted
that what’s proposed is a nice expression.
Jaquith asked where the Hardi clapboard will be used. Sima replied at it will start at the
residential entry and will be used at the non-street fronting sides and the rear. They
would also use the smooth side not the grained.
Perras asked for the base material. Sima replied an architectural CMU manufactured by
Shouldice and above it perhaps be a fiber cement panel with trim between the windows.
Awnings are also proposed above the windows with gooseneck lights in between.
Perras suggested using an all-stone base rather than introducing another product, like
the simply detailed granite storefronts. He didn’t see the need for the cornice above the
commercial space. Sima noted that the masonry base is only 42-inches high.
Perras asked if the middle portion of the rear lower roof was accessible rather than
terraced. Sima replied that the building abuts two single-family houses, so they opted to
not have a continuous row of roof decks along the rear. Perras questioned the
additional breaks in the rear façade with a vertical stripe of brick within the grey box,
rather than a cleaner solution. Jaquith agreed and suggested eliminating the brick at the
penthouse and rear façade and continuing the clapboards. Sima noted that the rear red
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area is clapboard, not brick, and it was implemented to break up the scale of the
building. Perras reiterated his preference for the same expression around the non-street
facing façades. Sides and Sullivan agreed with creating a uniform façade. Sullivan
asked if the trash will be in bins or at a larger capacity. Sima replied that a larger
capacity dumpsters and larger totes for the recycling, both picked up by a private
company that they will work with to determine the size of the containers and frequency of
the pickups.
Perras commended the design updates and believed the building will do well in this
location. Jaquith and Sides agreed.
Miller asked where gas and water meters will be located because she wouldn’t want to
see them in a prominent location, such as in place of the art panels. Sima suggested
the mechanical areas in the basement and noted that they haven’t engaged the utility
companies to that extent. He suggested within the recycling area so where they aren’t
visible from the public way as an alternate location. The Board agreed that the location
of the gas, water and electric meters needs to be determined. Sima suggested a
condition that the meters cannot be visible from a public way. Sides doubted that the
utility companies would comply with the conditions of a Board vote. Miller noted that the
connection location will be a contributing factor if they are desired on one side of the
building, when the connection is on the other side. Sima reiterated that the vaulted
transformer will be outside the trash room, so the meter is likely to be near it.
Newhall-Smith asked when this detail is typically determined. Sima replied that the
transformer location happens early in the design process, the location of the meters is
schematic until the engineers are on board and determined the location with the utility
companies. Perras noted that utility companies take a long time to determine those
locations and they may end up losing some of their recycling area to the meters, but not
be visible from the street. Newhall-Smith suggested including the meter placement in
the decision and if it is in a visible area, they must return to the DRB. Atty. Grover
agreed that it will up to the applicant to convince the utility company and if they cannot,
they will return with an alternative plan. Newhall-Smith added that this will also allow the
design team to move forward with their permitting.
Sullivan requested the unit count. Sima replied 20 units in addition to the commercial
space.
Miller asked for their snow storage plan. Sima replied that their traffic consultant
determined that during large storms snow would be removed from the site.
Miller asked if the applicant would return with construction documents. Newhall-Smith
replied not typically but if anything changes the applicant must return to the SRA and the
DRB for review. Miller believed the planting plans weren’t well developed despite their
planting palette and suggested that artificial turf not be used as indicated on plan, and if
the client felt they needed it for a pet relief area they could return to request it. Miller
stated that the tree spacing of the four trees on Norman Street is good; however,
considering the potential interaction of the far-left tree with the trash truck, the tree could
be shifted over three feet. Miller noted the perennials and shrubs along the north are
small and larger perennials or small trees should be used to break up the view down into
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the parking lot by neighbors. Atty. Grover stated that MDLA will be asked to enhance
the landscaping plans before the applicant returns to the SRA.
Sides noted that cedar fencing is proposed around the site and is appropriate, although
a cutsheet will be needed before a final approval. A cut sheet on the deck railings will
also be required. Sides asked if the brick sidewalks will be repaired. Witting replied that
he didn’t believe the entirety of the sidewalk was brick, but he is not opposite to repairing
what exists on Crombie Street. Miller noted that the concrete sidewalk along Norman
Street is currently not in good condition and will also need repair.
Miller asked about the status of the triangular patch to the left of the building on Norman
Street. Atty. Grover replied that it was part of 38 Norman Street but was sold to an entity
related to the developer at 23 Summer Street over 1-year ago, so they no longer have
any control over that parcel.
Public Comment:
Emily Udy, HSI. Asked what level of detail the materials are specified in the approval
process and if they can be seen in person at the Planning Department office. Asked for
clarification on where the façade design would be simplified. Perras replied that he
suggested the clapboard be all one color and requested to continue to cornice detail
around the roof. Wittig added that the clapboard would all be gray. Newhall-Smith
replied that SRA decision will reference the plans by name and date, with a list of all
materials and their colors. A materials board hasn’t been requested and is not available
to view at the Planning Department office. Udy added that they’ve worked with the
design team and HSI is confident in their design decisions. Perras noted that the red
mortar with red brick is a classic combination although not widely used in Salem.
Kennedy agreed with Perras.
No one else in the assembly wished to speak.
Miller asked when the cut sheets would be submitted. Atty. Grover replied that it could
be conditional, and they would submit it prior to submitting for final approval to the SRA.
The fence and deck railing cutsheets, updated landscape plan with additional plantings,
simplification of the side and rear façades could be provided with the utility meter
locations to be decided by the SRA. The traffic peer review will be before the PB on
March 3rd, and he hopes a draft decision can be prepared before their March 17th
meeting. They would include all the changes proposed at this meeting so all Board can
review the same fence. Newhall-Smith suggested that the fence and railing details
haven’t been reviewed and may not be worth holding up the permitting process. She
suggested a DRB member be deputized to review them and determine if it should return
to the DRB. Sides suggested they be reviewed by the PB rather than returning to the
DRB.
Miller: Motion to approve with the following conditions; Hardi siding shall be smooth,
water, gas and electric meters shall not be visible from the Crombie, Norman, or
Summer Streets, snow shall be hauled off site, sidewalks shall be repaired, cutsheets for
the cedar fence and railings shall be provided, landscape plans shall be further
developed to include specifics on plantings and smaller shrubs along the north property
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line, the North and West façades shall be consistent with the surrounding grey siding,
and the North façade shall have a continuous cornice. Seconded by: Jaquith.
Roll Call: Jaquith, Kennedy, Miller, Perras, Sides, and Sullivan in favor. Passes 6-0.
New / Old Business
1. Approval of Minutes:
a. December 22, 2021
Miller: Motion to approve the meeting minutes of December 22, 2021. Seconded by:
Perras.
Roll Call: Jaquith, Kennedy, Miller, Perras, Sides – abstained due to absence, and
Sullivan – abstained due to absence, in favor. Passes 4-0, 2 abstained.
2. Staff Updates, if any:
Newhall-Smith stated that the state of Massachusetts signed a bill to extend some of the
COVID-19 aspects, including the ability to meet remotely. The options remain to either
use a hybrid option or remain remote until July 2022.
Perras noted the negative was not being able to see materials and Emily Udy’s point
was a valid one. Kennedy agreed. Miller and Sullivan suggested asking for the
materials. Newhall-Smith agreed to request material boards when needed. Sides
suggested they be clearly labeled so that anyone can view the materials.
Miller: Motion to continue remote meetings until July 2022. Seconded by: Jaquith.
Roll Call: Kennedy, Miller, Jaquith, Perras, Sides, Sullivan were in favor. Passes 6-0.
3. Miller requested including a running list of projects for the Board to discuss until the
matter(s) have been resolved. Newhall-Smith has her own list that she references at the
end of meetings when new information is available.
a. 25 Lynde Street – No mention on plans or in minutes of the use of the smooth
vs. textured siding.
b. 118 Washington Street (Ginger Seafood) – Two letters were sent to the
applicant on February 27, 2022, regarding the installation of frosted window but
there has been no response. The next step will be to contract the Building
Department and let them know the applicant has been non-responsive and the
frosted glass must be addressed.
c. 65 Washington Street (Brix) – Regarding the use of two different color greens,
she had a phone conversation with a developer from Urban Spaces. The original
color was the darker green, the planters were purchased in a lighter green and
the architect likes the color contrast. If the planters were painted, it would flake
overtime and powder-coating them to ensure the plant stayed in place would be
an added expense and they feel it wouldn’t make sense. Miller replied that the
request was for a dark green and the contrast does not look good. Kennedy and
Perras agreed. Newhall-Smith stated that there are bigger battles ahead and
suggested that continuing to pursue the matter will not be productive. Miller
suggested the Board review them on their own and decide at the March meeting.
Sides asked where the planters were placed. Newhall-Smith replied that they
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are the long trough style planters in front of the commercial space. Sides
suggested applying a timeframe and painting them. The Board agreed to
continue the discussion.
d. 37 Central Street (Eastern Bank) – Hasn’t been reviewed but it will be
addressed soon. Miller noted that the applicant placed the bank name on the
“IN” and “OUT” driveway signage after specifically being told not to.
Adjournment
Miller: Motion to adjourn. Seconded by: Jaquith.
Roll Call: Jaquith, Kennedy, Miller, Perras, Sides, and Sullivan in favor. Passes 6-0.
Meeting is adjourned at 7:15PM.
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